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Talking Real - Geometry Dash Situation (S2E4)

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Today I give the full rundown on the past, present, and future of the situation regarding Geometry Dash and Newgrounds, plus the problems we ran into along the way.

(I made the songs in the background, haven't released them yet. First is "If You Ain't Livin'" and the other is under my rap project Kid Project, called "Skill", not finished yet)

RobTop's Post to GD Users: http://robtopgames.com/blog/2017/02/01/geometry-dash-newgrounds/

Troisnyx's Post giving more details and mythbusting: http://troisnyx.newgrounds.com/news/post/979356

Proof I took it down: https://twitter.com/RealFaction/status/826549208559841280

TOPICS: Well, there's only one topic today.

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN

CyberdevilCyberdevil

Rated 5 / 5 stars ::

Speaking it real. :) Even with a solution in place though, it's aggravating some people just can't seem to understand. Or want to. I've been following the rage and confusion (though not without compliments and support) in the official post, though feels difficult to respond constructively to users who really aren't taking in any of the information they're getting. Feels like you managed to stay humble with this though. Objective and positive, with a flare for drama with the how-bad-it-was. Easy to listen to overall. Hope to hear more of these! And always interesting when it's a topic regarding NG. :)

-cd-


FirePowerXFirePowerX

Rated 5 / 5 stars ::

I do hate the community itself, but the game not, GD community has full of mean kids/pricks who are trying to harras/insult other musicians by their career, i think thats the main reason why it pisses me off when GD kids harras other musicians and insult them, i honestly dont hate rest of the GD users but only the ones who are mean and idiots.


EDM364EDM364

Rated 5 / 5 stars ::

I would say definitely start putting your podcasts on YT, and put this one up there. Needs it.

I definitely concur with what you've got down here. A cool idea turned into NG getting a ton of heat, laws being broken, and lots of death threats for taking down stolen music, as well as protesting the game's principle.

I also can't buy that Rob was "working on a fix" for 2 years. It does not take 2 years to tell your users to stop stealing shit and fix your game so that users can't just fire-and-forget with a new NG acc ad nauseam. Rob could have done this from the bat if he wasn't just taking advantage of people's perception of creative commons music. There are still users out there saying "Die Newgrounds" because they don't get that CC isn't copyright, BUT it isn't totally public domain. CC non-commercial is where stuff gets tricky.

One correction, NEWLY scouted artists will have to get approved by RobTop to get their stuff used in GD. Already scouted artists won't. This will probably piss off people who don't read, but you know how it is. My previous newspost goes in depth to explain most of what happened here. I'll have to check out Troisnyx's.

Take care!


FreeedTheDolfinFreeedTheDolfin

Rated 5 / 5 stars ::

ok, so as a geometry dash player i was interested in listening to this podcast (i did listen to the whole thing). i think in the middle the chronology felt a bit confusing, because i thought that the death threats and you saying that you came out to be the person who flagged the game was before robtop posted the announcement of the change, but you presented it after you mentioned the announcement, which might come out to some people that even after the announcement, the geometry dash community was still at the same state of anger, which isn't true. sure it was still continuing a bit but most people calmed down. other than that, the summary was spot-on.

next, i dunno much (at all) about the legality of using newgrounds music in the game, but for robtop to add the ability to use music from newgrounds in the first place, wouldn't he have had to negotiate something with the people who run newgrounds? i mean it doesn't sound like rob to just steal a whole platform's content, and he would've gotten in huge trouble if he hadn't obtained newgrounds's consent. so technically, if newgrounds gives robtop permission to use their songs on the audio portal, wouldn't it mean that the people who upload their creations on their platform also give permission for their songs to possibly be in geometry dash? the "You may not use this work for commercial purposes without making specific arrangements with the artist." is a little vague to me since i don't really know if "specific arrangements" includes the consent newgrounds gave to robtop. i would think so, as newgrounds is the platform the artist is uploading on.

one more thing: i don't think taking down geometry dash on steam was the best course of action to get robtop to notice you guys and your message. i admit though, i can't think of a much better way either right now. as of me writing this, the game is still not back up on the store, and that's a pretty big problem for the solution that robtop had mentioned in his announcement post. don't quote me on this as i'm pretty clueless with game development as well, but since the game is off steam, rob won't be able to update it (because there's nothing he can update) so that the new system is in the game (at least in the steam version of it).

overall i thought the podcast was a pretty good explanation of the situation. some extra things i have to say are:

1. death threats are all over the internet and if you use the internet at all, you would know that most people tell others "kys" all the time as a sign of anger/frustration. it's pretty harmless for mad geometry dash players to send death threats, and if you take what they say seriously, it's kind of a sign of weakness in my mind. it just sounds stupid to me that anyone would actually kill themselves because of some angry kid on the internet.

2. the aggression was mostly the gd players, i am 100% aware of that, but i don't want anyone to think that the newgrounds people were angels during the whole situation either. (e.g. troisnyx saying "kill yourself" to a mad (and probably senseless) gd player in one of her responses on her "down with geometry dash" post). i mean i know it was in retaliation and she did apologize, but it was still an example of how it wasn't a "hostile vs defensive" but rather "hostile vs hostile".

3. anyone saying that "newgrounds songs are what made robtop rich" is wrong. that's like saying "geometry dash is what made *insert newgrounds artist* famous". people didn't buy geometry dash just to use newgrounds music in a level. heck, some people don't even use that feature at all. but those people still have lots of fun, not by using music and making a level out of it, but playing levels that others made. the ability to use songs from newgrounds is really only 10% of the game compared to the various gamemodes, quests, grinding, currency, customizables, a sort-of story, and obstacles in it.

i enjoyed the talk. i might keep watching more of them and will look possibly forward for the next one. :)


MactaMendaxMactaMendax

Rated 5 / 5 stars ::

A single email can take it down. Cool. Man, I can troll flagging in the future to shovelware.

Anyway, this talk is right on, explaining whatever happening. I've been saying it for years that RobTop make bucks off GD, and the dimwitted idiots fought hard to defend their rights to dump music. Of course, RobTop did not take attention on the issue. He's gotten rich from it.

Lol, claim to take 2-3 years for a fix, then did it in 1 day... Sneaky fuck.

Good talk dude. Looking for more podcasts.


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